It's been close to three weeks since I posted my original spirit airlines rant. Obviously, yesterday, things got a bit louder. This post is a compilation/rant of the frustrations I've had watching this discussion unfold.What I've Learned
I've learned that the internet is a big place. For every 100 people who believe in consumer rights, there is another person saying "screw em!"
I've learned that Spirit Airlines wouldn't have nearly the same amount of drama if they didn't offer so many Caribbean flights. Not once has a story been like, "We were stuck in Atlanta and forced to eat at a IHOP. I want my stomach back." Instead, it's all "We were stuck in Guatemala for a week while a drug lord held us hostage. A monkey stole my baby."
I've learned that if you are going to have a fake customer service line, people will quickly figure it out.
I've learned that different blogs send vastly different traffic. Comments will vary from "That's what you get!" to "Chomsky forever!" based on the style of site that's sending traffic.
I've learned that my own experiences with Spirit pale in comparison to most of the growing number of comments people have submitted.
I've decided that if someone explains "you get what you pay for" to me or anyone else on this blog again, they're about to get beat with the no-shit-sherlock shovel. The entire story is that from the very beginning. The problem is, most of us paid the same amount of money as we would have on Airtran, JetBlue, Southwest or any other discount airline. They may all be frustrating, but I bet they have a real 1-800# that actually frigging works. I'll pay the dollar for a soda and the $4 for a bag of delicious nutritional combos and the $20 for a backpack, just give me a working 800# to call when you cancel my flight and leave me stranded in the rain forest.
I've learned that the more I complain about people explaining "you get what you pay for," the more people who will. Cue annoying-to-me-but-funny-to-everyone-else-comments now.
I've learned that people are sympathetic to "reply all".
I've learned that people are not sympathetic to "reply all" when their vacation was ruined.
I've learned that the quote "Let him tell the world how bad we are." makes me laugh. Thanks for granting us all permission, Ben ;)
I've learned that Ben Baldanza has a history of sticking his foot in his mouth. When he was a VP at US Airs, he went on record saying that they don't value deal seekers. Awfully ironic now that he's the CEO of a discount airline, don't you think?
I've learned that some people within the airline industry expect you to expect a full day of travel, and it's your fault if you don't. Some folks have been given Christy and her husband a hard time for only landing an hour before their concert. I've had important business meetings scheduled inside of airports for 15 minutes after landing. In the real world, people don't have all day to sit around tolerating a crappy airline industry. We shouldn't have to take all this crap as being par for the course, and if we do, at least pretend to be sympathetic. You're ruining vacations, thieving peoples money and overall interrupting our lives. Even if you don't owe the customer anything, empathy would be the least you could do.
I've learned that some people within the airline industry blame consumers for their problems. If those pesky consumers didn't demand cheaper flights, then we would be able to charge more money and offer more service. There's so many things wrong with that statement it boils my insides, but let's ignore all that. Explain how cutting customer service while at the same time canceling more flights to save cost, makes any ethical sense what-so-ever. Begin.
I've learned that despite a few strange folks in the airline industry, there are many great people inside of Spirit Airlines who are just as frustrated with the state of their company as their customers are. At this point, I have every reason to believe that Spirit's problems originate at the top, and not with the men and women who actually make the airline go. "Dell Hell" may have sucked for Dell, but it also created much needed change within their organization. If you've recently been laid off by Spirit, e-mail me. I'm pretty good with resumes.
I've learned that every time I start feeling the slightest feeling of remorse, another comment will come in or a private e-mail and make me understand the importance of this type of thing. Consumers need a voice. Too many corporations have started to act as if they're the ones with the rights and privileges and that the market exists to benefit them.
I've learned that most companies are still really afraid of blogs. If Spirit had reached out in any official capacity when all of this started, I would have been able to post their response and go about living my life without moderating a discussion amongst what I estimate to be 20-25% of the people searching for "spirit airlines".
I've learned that Spirit, or an airline like them, will probably always exist. There are deal hunters out there. Spirit defenders have said customers were expecting too much. That might be true, but expectations require the customer to be informed.
I've learned the power of word of mouth when it comes to informing people. I wrote my original rant to inform friends and family of my experience. I figured if a couple people found it off of google, I'd justify my feeling that they should have comped me $5 for baggage on one leg of my trip (smallest token I could think of, it's not about the money) I do not believe in eye for an eye, but I do believe in karma.


Comments...
(Page 1)1. Wow.........!
4:34PM on Aug 23rd 2007 by sjr
2. I was booking a trip to NY and got put on hold. While there, I had ample time to search the net. Because of this site I hung up and went with another carrier.
Poor customer service is a pet peeve of mine. I've flown lots of discount carriers that didn't have many resources. But one thing they did have was some level of appreciation for me as a customer. If Spirit thinks that I'm just someone who will crawl back to save a penny... well @#$%^ them.
Anyone remember the Saturday Night Live sketch from way back about "Total Bastard Airlines"? Buh Bye. It would be funny if it wasn't so true.
Cheers Ben Baldanza. Let me know how your business strategy works out for you.
Mark
2:50PM on Aug 24th 2007 by Mark Lookabaugh
3. I will personally never even think about flying Spirit as long as he is CEO...
3:19PM on Aug 24th 2007 by Jeff
4. Alex, I am not sure how many people read this...I feel it needs to be posted and read as many times as possible. Your words are worth the read... :)
"What I've Learned", by ALEX RUDLOFF!!!
It's been close to three weeks since I posted my original spirit airlines rant. Obviously, yesterday, things got a bit louder. This post is a compilation/rant of the frustrations I've had watching this discussion unfold.
What I've Learned
I've learned that the internet is a big place. For every 100 people who believe in consumer rights, there is another person saying "screw em!"
I've learned that Spirit Airlines wouldn't have nearly the same amount of drama if they didn't offer so many Caribbean flights. Not once has a story been like, "We were stuck in Atlanta and forced to eat at a IHOP. I want my stomach back." Instead, it's all "We were stuck in Guatemala for a week while a drug lord held us hostage. A monkey stole my baby."
I've learned that if you are going to have a fake customer service line, people will quickly figure it out.
I've learned that different blogs send vastly different traffic. Comments will vary from "That's what you get!" to "Chomsky forever!" based on the style of site that's sending traffic.
I've learned that my own experiences with Spirit pale in comparison to most of the growing number of comments people have submitted.
I've decided that if someone explains "you get what you pay for" to me or anyone else on this blog again, they're about to get beat with the no-shit-sherlock shovel. The entire story is that from the very beginning. The problem is, most of us paid the same amount of money as we would have on Airtran, JetBlue, Southwest or any other discount airline. They may all be frustrating, but I bet they have a real 1-800# that actually frigging works. I'll pay the dollar for a soda and the $4 for a bag of delicious nutritional combos and the $20 for a backpack, just give me a working 800# to call when you cancel my flight and leave me stranded in the rain forest.
I've learned that the more I complain about people explaining "you get what you pay for," the more people who will. Cue annoying-to-me-but-funny-to-everyone-else-comments now.
I've learned that people are sympathetic to "reply all".
I've learned that people are not sympathetic to "reply all" when their vacation was ruined.
I've learned that the quote "Let him tell the world how bad we are." makes me laugh. Thanks for granting us all permission, Ben ;)
I've learned that Ben Baldanza has a history of sticking his foot in his mouth. When he was a VP at US Airs, he went on record saying that they don't value deal seekers. Awfully ironic now that he's the CEO of a discount airline, don't you think?
I've learned that some people within the airline industry expect you to expect a full day of travel, and it's your fault if you don't. Some folks have been given Christy and her husband a hard time for only landing an hour before their concert. I've had important business meetings scheduled inside of airports for 15 minutes after landing. In the real world, people don't have all day to sit around tolerating a crappy airline industry. We shouldn't have to take all this crap as being par for the course, and if we do, at least pretend to be sympathetic. You're ruining vacations, thieving peoples money and overall interrupting our lives. Even if you don't owe the customer anything, empathy would be the least you could do.
I've learned that some people within the airline industry blame consumers for their problems. If those pesky consumers didn't demand cheaper flights, then we would be able to charge more money and offer more service. There's so many things wrong with that statement it boils my insides, but let's ignore all that. Explain how cutting customer service while at the same time canceling more flights to save cost, makes any ethical sense what-so-ever. Begin.
I've learned that despite a few strange folks in the airline industry, there are many great people inside of Spirit Airlines who are just as frustrated with the state of their company as their customers are. At this point, I have every reason to believe that Spirit's problems originate at the top, and not with the men and women who actually make the airline go. "Dell Hell" may have sucked for Dell, but it also created much needed change within their organization. If you've recently been laid off by Spirit, e-mail me. I'm pretty good with resumes.
I've learned that every time I start feeling the slightest feeling of remorse, another comment will come in or a private e-mail and make me understand the importance of this type of thing. Consumers need a voice. Too many corporations have started to act as if they're the ones with the rights and privileges and that the market exists to benefit them.
I've learned that most companies are still really afraid of blogs. If Spirit had reached out in any official capacity when all of this started, I would have been able to post their response and go about living my life without moderating a discussion amongst what I estimate to be 20-25% of the people searching for "spirit airlines".
I've learned that Spirit, or an airline like them, will probably always exist. There are deal hunters out there. Spirit defenders have said customers were expecting too much. That might be true, but expectations require the customer to be informed.
I've learned the power of word of mouth when it comes to informing people. I wrote my original rant to inform friends and family of my experience. I figured if a couple people found it off of google, I'd justify my feeling that they should have comped me $5 for baggage on one leg of my trip (smallest token I could think of, it's not about the money) I do not believe in eye for an eye, but I do believe in karma.
6:39PM on Aug 29th 2007 by Faun
5. My parents taught me from youth. Whether they had the money or not, they always paid for the higher quality knowing it would get them better results. They applied this to groceries, education, furniture, housing materials, vacations, etc.
They were burnt in the late '40's buying furniture for their new home. It only lasted a few years, but they had spent the rest of the money they had saved to purchase it. From then on, they surveyed their purchases. They taught me well. When I travel, I try to do it on reliable airlines. Since I live in Milwaukee, Midwest Airlines has never failed me. (Was worrying when AirTran was trying to take over) I have been on other airlines, and will never travel them again. I would rather drive. Also, I don't wait for the last plane out to make an event. Even in Hawaii, where the airports seem simple, we waited for an hour to make it through the security line. Had we listened to the locals, we would have missed our flight. Many things in life are common sense, and learning the "hard knock" way. I learned life from the experts, my parents, who had been through the depression, find their fortune, and travel the world. I was born very late into their lives, and I wish I could still learn from them.
8:18PM on Aug 29th 2007 by Beth
6. Holy crud, Batman! I just booked a vacation with Spirit for my whole family. I wish I would have read your blog before, I surely would not have flown them. I hope I don't have a bad experience, but I am now prepared for anything.
By the way, say what you will, but I don't believe that paying bargain prices gives a company license to treat its customers like garbage. A bargain price means that I don't get the royal treatment, but it does not mean I automatically get the royal shaft or an idiotic response from its a-hole CEO. (Can you tell I was truly incensed at his response?)
6:16PM on Sep 13th 2007 by Robert
7. You really need to find better uses of your time than to bash a LCC. You had a horrible experience..........welcome to commercial aviation post deregulation. The average customer from the 50's were middle to upper middle class families in their Sunday "best". Since the fare wars and the likes of Southwest and others including Spirit the average customer is from the bus stop. Cutoff jeans........unwashed T-shirts and skirts with no squirrel cover is the norm now. The lower price for that ticket shows up in every facet of the airline - from contracted MAINTENANCE of the airplanes to crews flying on wages that require them to have second jobs (yes.....the pilots too). Unfortunately the Legacy carriers have to adapt or die so you will get the same treatment at ALL airlines. So WHO is to blame? ------- All of us who search on travel sites and pick the lowest price carrier.
In a way........you deserved it.
8:41PM on Sep 20th 2007 by Joe
8. Alex,
Thanks for the heads up!!! I came across your blog as I searched for the Spirit web site, an airline I have never flown on the before. Funny enough, I was looking to book a flight for a quick Vegas trip in Oct. You can rest assured that Spirit just lost, financially, the equivalent of whatever a round trip ticket from Providence, RI costs. I agree that "things" come up and like you, I too have endured my share of flight travel nightmares over the years. I can honestly say that within each occurrence the airline was apologetic, courteous, and as accommodating as they could possibly be. We were even put up in 4 star hotel, given food vouchers and incidental costs once in Dallas when the airline did not get us back in time to catch our connecting flight. If you offer a service, no matter what price you choose to offer it at, you should be professional enough to stand behind your service even if it turns out poorly. EMM
6:48PM on Sep 26th 2007 by EMM
9. DO NOT FLY SPIRIT! I flew to the Caribbean for a family gathering and they canceled my returning flight and left me stranded! (is that even legal?) There was no one in authority to give any explanations, they refused to call the airlines 800 bogus # in Manila- Philippene's, all I got was 'Sorry'! No refund! I was forced to purchase a ticket on another carrier for $550.00. Consumers you have been warned! Congrats Spirit - The industry for which I work will be made aware of the tatics you use to rip your customers off!!! After seeing these retards response I usually dont stoop to stupidity but 'you got what you paid for' is an asinine comment - if we got what we paid for (a round trip seat on a plane) we would not be here therefore Spirit will never see a nickle of my money! And Im vigilant in spreading the word!
10:29PM on Sep 27th 2007 by Mark
10. And I thought I was the only one complaining about Spirit Airlines
Well, I hope this well get someone's attention. Last week my son was due to fly in from SFO to Detroit for his cousin's wedding - He and his girlfriend had purchased 2 round trip tickets N/S in March -- They had confirmation numbers and their tickets in hand.
They went to the SFO airport on October 4th p.m. to catch their flight (they were dropped off - they live 2 hours away) and to their surprise Sprit Airlines was no longer there - they cancelled their gate. My son was never notified of this!
After endless hours of trying to work this out - you saying they did not pay, they were notified - you just cancelled the flight that day - etc lie after lie after lie !! They were told to stay at the airport for 24 HOURS and someone would get back to them.
Needness to say after 8 hours they found a ride home - The next day we tried again - 3 way calls between you and Cheaptickets. Finally, Spirit it was their mistake - they refunded the $$ (we hope)(they also stated they just did that) and finally offered them 2 RT tickets problem -- IT WAS FROM LA - an $800 dollar flight to LA from SFO that they were to have paid - and it would not get in to Det until the next day and leave the next a.m. --
This is totally unacceptable!! You should have in the very least put them on another airline and flown them in that day. They missed the wedding (Oh, did I mention they were in the wedding party !) And, a room for one night they we could not cancell was also billed. As well as partial cost of the Limo that was picking them up from Detroit.
YOU OFFERED NOTHING - We also found out that the person who told them to wait for 24 hours was very very wrong - another one of your reps told us it would have been 2 - 3 business days for any help. No help whatever from you and Spirit.
You are a small airline and will get even smaller each day - My family and friends (which are many have been made aware of this situation and we guarentee to pass the word to make your airline smaller and hopefully with enough complaints you will loose all business.
This is a very poor way to run a business - we would have used your service alot but never again - not now!!!
We hope to see all your gates eventually closed.
I do hope you read this and someone does respond to this e-mail! But if it is like we have been treated already - I will not hold my breath.
A very upset Mother
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3:17PM on Oct 11th 2007 by Linda B
11. i completely disagree with "you get what you pay for" i'm being held responsible for a flight that i was originally denied. so, how is that fair? why should i have to pay for a flight that i was denied? a bunch of bull hoey if you ask me. so please, whom ever, hold off on the "you get what you pay for" i didn't get anything but the runaround.
5:51PM on Oct 15th 2007 by Shannon
12. These you get what you pay for comments dont make sense. I am having an issue with Spirit right now for an upcoming flight and I didnt pay any less then Northwest and Southwest are offering right now..in fact since I booked with Spirit both NW and SW have offered cheaper fares! They are NOT really any cheaper then anyone else out of Detroit yet that is what they 'use' to justify their horrible customer service.
These things must have started semi recently because we have flown Spirit in the past with no problems.
7:15PM on Oct 21st 2007 by Diane
13. I had to cancel the flight that I booked on Spirit for my fiancee and I. Well being new to reserving tickets in Spiritair.com, I mistakenly hit the "non-refundable" button by mistake. My fiancee was diagnosed with cancer of the uterus after I booked and needs a hysterectomy. Therefore she would not be able to travel. HUGE BLOW to us before we get married, knowing that she will never be able to bear children (she is 34 years old and her lifelong dream was to have children). Tried explaining this to Carol in customer service (agent id: 7198076) but she told me there's nothing she, nor any supervisor could do, less they be "terminated". "This is our policy, and you knew what you were doing when you booked your online tickets" she explained over and over, with no emotion whatsoever. I desperately need this money to help pay for medical bills now, but do you think Spirit would make an exception to their policy for this one case? Heck no, and they couldn't care less... after all, they have a "policy" whcih to me means that they simply do not give a !#$$! about their customers and what goes on in their lives. Do not give these aweful people your money, they do not deserve it!!!
2:30PM on Oct 31st 2007 by John
14. I am rather indifferent about this problem. I have never traveled by air, but travel by water quite frequently. In any event that kind of behavior hacks me a lot :(
5:44PM on Nov 17th 2007 by Derek
15. Yep I worked there for 2 years before gettin the old heave ho and I can tell you the company talks out of both sides of its face even to its employess, saying we need your customer service to speak for us but you dont mind if we reduce our staffing by half freeze your pay (most people have been working there for 5-6 years without a raise) and pay no attention when you try to tell us we are doing something wrong!!! Its to bad the company had such potential. I could use some help on my resume btw!
10:34AM on Jan 19th 2008 by Jerry